He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. [42] Furtick responded to this comment in his 2016 book Unqualified: How God Uses Broken People to Do Big Things. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. The truth is whether it is a mega church pastor in the US, or a small church pastor in Scotland, it is not OUR church, it is HIS. So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". It does say that if you are not careful many with money err from the faith and it also says the LOVE OF MONEY is the root of all evil, NOT MONEY ITSELF. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. Required fields are marked *. Period. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Cho resigned the next day. (John MacArthur). For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. A point you also mentioned. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. Give me one example of Kellers irreverence? "[26] He has a complementarian view on gender roles and considers that the Bible forbids women to preach to men or to exercise authority over men in churches, and he believes that the Biblical roles of elder and pastor are restricted to men. Can I assume that you are now withdrawing the remark about Matt Chandler not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived? It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. He has been the pastor-teacher of Grace . . So Mike Riccardi is going to be answering the call," a Grace Community Church elder announced on Sunday, according to Christian website Protestia. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. [11] From 1966 to 1969, MacArthur was hired as the faculty representative for Talbot Theological Seminary. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Market data provided by Factset. I repeat again that I am aware of the failings of the mega church system and celebrity pastors. He also read a heartfelt letter that the church's pastor sent to MacArthur's congregation. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Why is that disgraceful and totally unwarranted? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." Its also a nasty wee trick to complain of someone remarks as being provocative, misleading and snide. Can I suggest an alternative standard? 1. Legal Statement. [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. Not on Amazon it aint! Someone made a sermon jam of it which I posted on my FB page and all of us, who were not of a charismatic background, really had no idea what he was saying. They do things right. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). as there are with me. I would be tempted to add, Because youre worth it! New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? All rights reserved. That is just nuts. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. People make millions selling sex, playing sports and funny you never hear the news say that is wrong. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian.you didyou declared I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Join Transformation church Sunday service at 11AM with Michael Todd, Live Stream (April-24-2022). The great thing about the Village Church is that they recognised that they had not handled it well and apologised. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. As for his preaching, we will disagree. It is a serious breach of the ninth commandment to defame someone in this manner. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Dear David, I kind of dreaded this type of response. What am I gonna do? Opinion Preston Clegg. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. One other thing is that success can get to ones head. Cameron Buettel, Grace To You, Hillsong, Jeremiah Johnson, music, worship. Do they not see the danger of this? John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. You can follow him on Twitter @timothynerozzi and can email him at timothy.nerozzi@fox.com, Get all the stories you need-to-know from the most powerful name in news delivered first thing every morning to your inbox. [19] He is one of the most prominent voices in American Christianity against the continuationist beliefs of Pentecostalism and the Charismatic Movement, which assert that God continues to confer sign gifts today. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. I hear the anti christ will also be a great orator and just as charismatic. He did say that some of his views reflected the old style Liberation Theology and Social Gospel, confusion over eternal punishment and other things. Whether this ministry attracted 2 or 2 million is irrelevant the ministry is identified simply by its content as false and shunned. Eventually, all lawsuits were settled out of court with the County of Los Angeles and the State of California paying $400,000 each to Grace Community Church. What is there to apologise for? [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. You then accused me of muddying the waters by dropping in a bit of juicy gossip. John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? He has remarked that "[t]he Charismatic movement has stolen the Holy Spirit and created a golden calf, and they're dancing around the golden calf as if it were the Holy Spirit. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? [18] He believes that scripture is inerrant and infallible because it is "the Word of God" and that God cannot lie. As a preliminary observation, there is no name calling. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? Ward's father, John Tucker, was also a member of the church who had been informed . Do you still endorse it? "[37], MacArthur is an outspoken critic of same-sex marriage, the ordination of women, the Roman Catholic Church, and the social justice movement. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? by RELEVANT. MacArthur responded, "Go home." The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. It has that effect on people to go from 14 to 20,000 so go sit underneath the ministry until you can see what he sees. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. It happens. If that is the last word then so be it. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). 3) There is no point 3) other than it is a demonstration of your setting up a straw man in the hope you will have something to argue against. Ironically tu quoque was what you were using about Chandler (as well as ad hom). I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. Can we in the UK stop copying these kind of churches? Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 Their influence has been growing and recently . Furtick though is unapologetic..he boasted in a sermon all the proceeds go to feed hungry children..mine!. There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. He did not say Timothy Keller is an anti-Christian preacher. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. Truth in love is the biblical standardI didnt claim that you had claimed suchI just assumed that that was what you are doing. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque John MacArthur and the folks from Grace to You (GTY) have done the body of Christ a great service by continually warning Christianity against the growing dangers within the Charismatic movement. But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. Marantha! It is also grossly unfair (and dishonest) for you to misrepresent my position as making some pastors untouchable. The incident referred to was a very serious matter and Christian publications in th USA documented the churchs mishandling of it, which was why I had urged caution. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Finally, you make the extremely serious accusation that I have caused disunity in the body of Christ by calling Matt Chandler a false teacher and by comparing him with Scott McKenna; both accusations are totally false and completely unacceptable. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. Could you tell me the difference? So it wasnt all bad. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Can I suggest a little more humility? He was unable to preach the second service. The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? 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Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. 38, 31-32). So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. John MacArthur, senior pastor of Grace Community Church in Los Angeles and founder of his ministry Grace to You, was one of the reported 4,000 pastors who preached last Sunday against. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . Thats why we view every news story through the lens of faith. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. It was neither juicy nor gossip. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. It is quite shocking. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. 2) Its also not advisable as someone who professes to be a Christian and follow Christ to swear. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. John MacArthur is wrong about so much more than keeping women in abusive marriages. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. [4], The grandson of Canadian Anglican minister Harry MacArthur (died 1950) and son of Baptist radio preacher Jack MacArthur (born in Calgary, Canada)[5] and Irene Dockendorf, MacArthur was born in Los Angeles. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. An apologist and blogger is claiming that Matt Chandler's sermon was censored during a rebroadcast. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . It just looks weird. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. Im not sure though why I should apologise for my Amazon remarks? If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! Radio Scotland Abortion Debate Edited Highlights, https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw, http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0, http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop, https://mrayton.wordpress.com/tag/john-macarthur/, Elevation Church The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, Most Read Wee Flea Articles in 2017 THE BLOG OF DAVID ROBERTSON. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. You were rightthat was not very mature. If you are going to reply that something is pathetic can I suggest you avoid capitalising everything. You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. 1) You came on my blog page and accused Matt Chandler of not being a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. On February 9, 1969, he was hired as the third and youngest pastor at the nondenominational Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California. I think putting Chandler in the same category as Furtick is disgraceful and totally unwarranted and thus simply ask G White to justify that. [39], For example, with respect to sexual orientation, he asserted that "no one is gay" as "God didn't hardwire anybody"[40] to be gay any more than he "hardwires" individuals to be adulterers or bank robbers. False teachers and those who allow the Word of God to be compromised are like a cancer in the church; some who preach flat out heresy are like the aggressive cancer and are easy to spot quickly but others who compromise a bit here and turn a blind eye there are akin to the slow growing tumour thats often not picked up until great damage is done. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. I did read your comments. Market data provided by Factset. 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