[], [] While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. Thank you for adding your voice to the now chorus of voices calling for a time of judgment and reform. Until recently, I was 8 year member of HBC and I feel so sad, confused, betrayed. My daughter had been bullied by both Luke and James, in the presence of other adults, several times over her years in the youth group and yet I did not leave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISjXhWUyGi0&list=PLud2nIxx0IAT58I8QPBdfrOz8bFMQQcd6&index=4&t=0s. I will not blame those who suffer spiritual starvation for wolves like the James McDonalds, Joel Olsteens or Creflo Dollars (to name but a few), however designer churches and their false teachers are the direct results of people who refuse to be obedient and submissive to Gods will. It isnt about timing. Lina, this took courage and Im glad you said it. It seems that was true at Harvest, just as it is at many local churches. He is very likely not a brother in Christ. Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. I have always wondered why? The current leadership at Harvest Bible Chapel including Luke and Landon and Rick and Mo and Jeff and the CFO are infected by the cancer of fear and control. As a former elder for three years at the Elgin campus ( it wasnt a true elder board then and it still isnt now ), I couldnt agree with you more, that all the infected parts have to excised! We warn the people of Harvest Bible Churchto separate themselves from these false messengers. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. Your willingness to sit down over a cup of coffee in your home with women of God and get real about our hurts, our fears, our dreams, or whatever is going on in our lives. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. SHERI PINE. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. The environment is as ahw stated, fear James, make James happy Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. In addition, what was shared now, may have been heard better now, then it would have been heard before Lina left Harvest. I never understood why they saw him the way they do. It is a cry to the current leadership, to evangelicalism at large that there are some very serious problems that need to be dealt with. How about some GRACE !!! Even if the criticism in the letter had been unwarranted, this response is a huge red warning sign. Thank you for speaking out, Lina! Not one. In another incident at Camp Harvest, MacDonald reportedly stabbed a photo of a former Harvest pastor with a butter knife. needless to say she did not go back and found a great church she was able to become a part of during her college years. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! I regret staying at Harvest after that meeting with the elders. It seems to me that theyve had years to repent and make things right. In Jesus precious name. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. That is why I really rally for our black preacher and pastors like Keion Henderson, https://www.keionhenderson.com/about-us/ ! On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. And I do want to state that MANY of us have made every effort to address the problems prior to leaving. Or share it. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. When one part of the body hurts, we all hurt! This is why NOW. I was just starting out at Harvest in September of 2011. The problem was not so much the pastor but the members that lived worldly. I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. Women are not silenced: This model is not original and is old but it is appropriate for the megachurch and also for the persecuted church. None of the perpetrators of hate and satanism have fully repented, including James, his despicable henchmen and the elders. You can read about the continued corruption and fraud here: Dan George's Resignation. Were they unaware of what was happening behind the scenes? Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. Both of us were involved in many forms of leadership and had invested for many years in the outreach of the church and all of its fellowship. The first one is in the magazine Relevant and looks at the allegations of Anne Green being inappropriately touched by James MacDonald. Again I dont blame James MacDonald. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. Mahoney and Bryant shared concerns about Harvests financial dealings, and provided a platform for other former Harvest members, who accused MacDonald of a controlling and abusive leadership style and pointed to an overall lack of accountability for MacDonald at Harvest. Im praying for you. Somehow I thought 2500+ members walking out would send the message. God loves truth. Lina, to see how the Lord has blessed your ministry these past few years is absolutely amazing! However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. My family attended a smaller Harvest church close to Elgin. God is faithful, and He is doing what needs to be done to protect His bride. Biblical: submission to the Word in My Dream Church will be at a higher level God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. Im glad I have stood firm. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. Harvest Bible Chapel of Naples, whose leadership recently turned over after scandal rocked its Chicago parent megachurch, is the most . I pray for the leaders. I praise your decision to own your ministry outside of James. The leader of that church, John Secrest, was blindsided by the news and asked Harvest elders to reconsider allowing MacDonald to preach there. superstar pastors are always ,inevitably, trouble. Let us examine ourselves for unconfessed sin and seek to live in fear of the Lord lest bitterness overtake us.. I left the church 4 years ago, the week after 3 elders were publiclyex-communicated on a cheap home made movie not worthy of one wasted second of the worship service. We repent, forgive and are reconciled; we do not get even, hold grudges, refuse to forgive, or destroy innocent bystanders caught in the wake of it all. It permeates through the woman that you are. I believe this is God working to expose sin just as Jesus warned Luke 12:2-3 The two entities released separate statements detailing the results of the process, which went through the Institute for Christian Conciliation. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. Nellie-What you might not know. The bloggers began posting again, however, in 2017, around the same time that Harvest Bible Fellowship was dissolved in 2017, due in part to concerns by some some member churches about how Harvest was managing the fellowships finances. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. From elders (Dave Corning, Jon Gaus, The Elephant Debt etc) to nobodies one by one we were all ignored and in many cases bullied. Sign up for our newsletter: I believe that now IS an appropriate time to share your story. The day I watched the video, I emailed my campus pastor and asked for an explanation. What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? The higher the leadership level was, the more protective of James they were. You take feed back to heart and you use it as growth points. Wow. The Bible even says Truth shall set you free. Youre sharing your story and I think those who have been hurt by HBC (including me) needs to hear these stories. For a different church model, see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. Im also going to sign up for LWP. Ive never been able to foster the same level of trust and thats the residual I wrestle with. This past Sunday, Harvests elders and remaining pastors were in serious damage control mode. The small church that I and my family left was a textbook case in spiritual abuse. Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. Let this awaken and take down other church leaders that have similar goals. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. So Ill never forget the day I got up from my seat in a service, walked out, and never looked back. But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. model and not on the Old Testament hierarchical model. What I have realized is the weakness and defeatism of so-called Christians who immediately abandon their Church when trouble comes its way. This post drips of mercy. Conversions credited to women evangelists sharing the good news one-on-one in conversations. Its true, Anonymous, we have no right to predict the eternal destiny of even the worst of sinners, for God longs to show mercy and grant repentance to all. For me, it is because it is time for truth. Nancy You sound like you still attend thereand you seem double minded. Gods hand is on Harvest and the dark is continuing to be shown. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! Prayer works as we understand to be HIS humble servants. God is purifying His Church. So beautiful. I assumed that you had simply moved on to bigger and better things. Your staying as long as you did part of the clarity and power youve experienced in communicating what youve seen. Then God led him to Harvest Bible Chapel. Thank you for teaching even in the midst of giving your testimony. In early 2018, reporter Julie Roys, who writes for the conservative evangelical WORLD Magazine, began conducting background research for an article, which was published eight months later under the headline Hard Times at Harvest. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. I wasnt happy with that but it had to be done! With my life and schedule, my friends are few and far between, and have always been aware that my saying anything publicly about Harvest or James would jeopardize those friendships that I still love and value so much. But those elders who are sinning you are to reprove before everyone, so that the others may take warning. Others will be hurtit is a matter of time. I am staying because with all the faults in the organization, the people of Harvest are my family. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. There were other things that caused us to leave also. On January 8th, after learning that anything obtained through subpoenas related to the lawsuit could be made public, however, Harvest Bible Chapel dropped the lawsuit. Thank you Lina, for opening the door of your life so that we can understand your experience. Also I Cor. Count on it. Thankful we got left when we did. WHY NOW??? I always wondered why you left but after reading The Elephants Debt I figured I knew why. I think the congregation who asks these questions should know that I pray for them. You can read that story right here. You wrote a blog about how an increase in tattoos was in some way related to a decline in holiness and you were a leader in the church? But He is in control of everything and if He wants HBC to continue, it will continue. Matthew 7:15: Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. than submission to leaders Lina, thank you for your post, and thank you for your honesty and transparency. Why? The fallout has only just begun. Yes, there are a lot of hurting people at Harvest. Thank you for having the courage to write what you did and for your ministry Lina. Thank you for sharing! Churches Still Depend on Clergy Housing Allowance, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. Therefore Lina did what God moved her to do in His Boldness and Courage, being fear had silenced her. :) I met my husband about 5 yrs ago and he had been attending faith community church for a bit. I am so inspired to see you today. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. I was asked what I would do if I were still on staff through the last 2 years. No one asked why I quit attending after 15 years. chose to suffer. I pray shes wrong. What blessings are flowing at Harvest for those who stand firm! Those that have gone through it ask themselves, should I speak up?. What happens next? Bless you! Harvest Bible Chapel Naples and its landlord have reached a settlement, ending a court battle to evict the church. While only a handful showed up, the range of their pain was wide. I dont know you personally but appreciate all you continue to teach me and countless others. He told me that I would be cursed for questioning his authority and God would punish me. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? I work every day to be rid of my anger and thank you for proving that church is an unsafe place filled with predictors such as yourself seeking to tear down. Have you ever read this piece on how sick systems keep people controlled? Your daily news briefing from the editors of CT. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. Hannibal Harvest Bible Church (EIN# 862793399) is an tax exempt organization filed with Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Criticism of MacDonald begun to surface on The Elephants Debt, a blog founded in 2012, run by Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant, former members era of Harvest Bible Church. In fact, he is the one who is no longer pastoring. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. All Rights Reserved. I thank you for your willingness to risk being misunderstood while offering your experience to help reduce the shame of others, who need a hand to hold, as they work through their own healing. Although I do not want to be a part of this church any more, I strongly feel that God is directing me to continue to obey his direction in this scripture and take their disobedience to another level. Lina did try to have a conversation with the Elders before she left Harvest. We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. A former Harvest staffer was also reported to police last fall after being accused of embezzling $270,000 from the church. I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. Even before the Garden of Eden seduction, he foresaw the need for The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Your leaving (however late you feel it was) was His provision for others, much like Joseph sent ahead to Egypt years ahead of his brothers and father. Although, it definetly planted a seed for me. Thank you for sharing. She will be one of many many many many who come forward so if you dont like it, dont read. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. It took months to get over the hurt he caused my husband and I. Even when you get away that fear doesnt leave just because you physically left. I also dont know why it took me five years to leave, but now Ive been at a true Bible preaching, Jesus exulting church, not too far from the RM campus. In the wake of his departure, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability acknowledged serious concerns around spending and financial stewardship under MacDonald that resulted in the church losing its membership status. Im so sorry, and Im sorry for the comments here that are going to be painful for you. These things happen in small churches too. 1 Timothy 5:20 If they built it, it is theirs to destroy. Its like I seek mans favor as well, rather than the Lords. For me, I live with the regret of not taking advantage of the opportunity to come over and get to know you. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. I still would like to read the blog on tattoos. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! Nothing will change at Harvest if the cancer of fear is not exposed . With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. Get the most recent headlines and stories from Christianity Today delivered to your inbox daily. Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. God bless. MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. I saw the horrible video of the three Elders that were fired, It was autrocious! No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival, Southern Baptist Convention Disfellowships Saddleback Church, After Pushing for UMC Unity, Former Bishop Joins New Denomination, After Chaos and Crisis, Beth Moore Still Finds Refuge in the Church, With Gossip of the Gospel, the Church Grows in Nepal. Even people who were very close to us turned silent. Harvest will also reimburse MacDonald another quarter-million dollars related to selling his former home and transfer compensation related to his retirement benefits. What are you authorized to do? If so Id be in agreement but again- this is not a political post. Then came Roys story, MacDonalds decision to sue Roys and the bloggers behind The Elephants Debt (presumably rubber stamped by the current elder board), and the realization that discovery would mean everything coming out. 12:18) as while working through this year-and-half-long process of transition. We are the Church! We never gave up on God because He never gives up on us. While I am personally removed from the situation, my brother and sister-in-law attend a Harvest Church and there has been a lot of pain through all of this. Its about the hurting. For our premium ad-free experience, including exclusive podcasts, issues and more, subscribe to. Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. Blessings to you! Those that havent gone through it ask why would you speak these things? Amy. You personify a strong, fast talking, intelligent woman, which is a gift by way of your heritage. I was brushed off. So long that lawyers all wonder why I waited so long- but trauma takes time to recover from. I have found that churches built through a single persons vision are dangerous. How you hit the nail on the head! You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. I believe you are mistaken. Everything is being talked about at great lengths regarding Harvest except for Who the body of Christ should be praying to, talking about and quoting. He wants a huge army of women indwelled with the Holy Spirit to point people to Christ. Fear is what has been under all this, I would not be surprised if there is some fear in Jamess heart that is the root cause of his sins here. We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. Where there is no vision and freedom the people perish. Even now, many years later, the enemy could still, if I let him, get me questioning my motives and trying to persuade me I was in the wrong not the shepherds. I have a love-hate relationship with Thanksgiving Day. The Church of Jesus Christ is not the organization or nonprofits we create, but the men and women that God calls and saves by the sacrifice of His Son. It doesnt mean anything.. However why now? Do you think God approves of pastors who deliberately scam their congregation for years, use his name for money and abuse people for the Almighty Dollar? Leaders should have secular jobs: I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. Looking sideways (practical love): Sadly, this cancer has spread to other churches that were once part of the fellowship. Elder boards are supposed to create this accountability in these situations, but in many cases these boards are no more than rubber stamps. I will be praying for you. Thoughts from a person looking in. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! I hate to be James because God judges leadership harsher than the regular sinner. Dont find that in the Bible. I choose to stay through this pain because, for me, leaving would create a wound that would never really heal. Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. I will pray for healing in the hearts and lives of those affected by this tragedy. The church, which has a weekly attendance of more than 12,000 at its seven campuses, is also associated with Vertical Worship, Harvest Christian Academy (HCA), and MacDonalds Walk in the Word TV and radio ministry. The practice of medicine is not an exact science; neither is navigating very tough and painful circumstances such as this. James has all the characteristics of a false teacher. What is strange about your concern about your own fear is I have been of thee opinion that Pastor James must have been ruled by his own fear-fear of losing influence and the fear of losing his ministry. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. Its ironic that you should post this today. | Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel Facebook The Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability has suspended Chicago-area megachurch Harvest Bible Church following the firing of its longtime pastor James MacDonald and amid ongoing revelations that the ministry had misappropriated funds. Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. The Pastor started teaching on obeying your authority and not questioning authority etc. The more I think about the demise of Harvest Bible Chapel and James MacDonald, the more I believe that fear is the cancer at the root of it all specifically the fear of James MacDonald. In announcing MacDonalds termination, Harvest elders stated they are committed to fulfilling our fiduciary duty as the leadership of this congregation, knowing that at times the outcome may be misunderstood or emotionally painful. Thank goodness God is still God! You are joined with so many ex harvesters that were wounded deeply by what became a toxic culture at HBC. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. Mike Winger Discusses When God Hardened Pharaohs Heart, Tennessee Church Showcases Tyre Nichols Photography, Louisiana Pastor Sentenced to 5 Years in Money Laundering Case Involving Nearly $900K in Stolen Funds, Steven Curtis Chapman First Contemporary Christian Artist To Earn 50th No. The word of God and the flock were only mentioned at the end of the long list. It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. Sometimes they will require being nice. 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